Tannoy Hi Fi cierra y se lleva el chiringuito a China

Nebulus escribió:Por ahora, lo que tienen los chinos, calado hasta el tuétano y desde hace cinco mil años que hay constatación histórica es corrupción.

antonio h.h. escribió:

Monti escribió:

Roland escribió:¿Tannoy deplaza su producción a china, o lo que ocurre es que una empresa china ha comprado Tannoy y se lleva la producción a su país?

Me imagino que la próxima en caer por china será Dynaudio.

¿La próxima?, Dynaudio fue comprada hace no mucho por capital chino, pocas quedan ya...

Pues a mí no me hizo ninguna gracia cuando me enteré que mis Dynaudio Confidence  4 , vamos las Dynaudio en general , habían sido compradas por una empresa china.    





Lo cual te deja pensar que estarán produciendo aquí, en Dinamarca , y cual allá , en China.
Si pago por un producto una cantidad de dinero grande, respeto que las empresas han de tener un margen comercial, pero no un super-margen comercial  a cuenta de cuatro tontos que se nos queda la cara de micos.  


Si pago por un Rolex quiero un Rolex con todo lo que implica. Si compro un Ferrari quiero un Ferrari con todo lo que implica.



Para mí, y pienso que para todos nosotros , suponen objetos de culto que nos cuesta mucho sudor comprar, pero cuando los tenemos en casa estamos orgullosos de ellos.

En el caso de Tannoy serie Prestige  ¿dónde queda la labor artesanal de que hacen gala ?    

mvdventura escribió:

ferac66 escribió:A mi me gusta que las cosas las fabrique el que las diseña. Creo que en el proceso de fabricación hay un toque de diseño que se pierde si no se hace así.

¿Apple sería un ejemplo de pérdida de ese "toque de diseño"?

ferac66 escribió:

mvdventura escribió:

ferac66 escribió:A mi me gusta que las cosas las fabrique el que las diseña. Creo que en el proceso de fabricación hay un toque de diseño que se pierde si no se hace así.

¿Apple sería un ejemplo de pérdida de ese "toque de diseño"?

En la época de la que te hablo (finales de los 80) un photoshop o un programa profesional de maquetación o diseño gráfico no es que funcionara mejor en un Mac, es que con un PC con windows simplemente no funcionaba.

Saludos.

tantris escribió:

ferac66 escribió:

mvdventura escribió:

ferac66 escribió:A mi me gusta que las cosas las fabrique el que las diseña. Creo que en el proceso de fabricación hay un toque de diseño que se pierde si no se hace así.

¿Apple sería un ejemplo de pérdida de ese "toque de diseño"?

En la época de la que te hablo (finales de los 80) un photoshop o un programa profesional de maquetación o diseño gráfico no es que funcionara mejor en un Mac, es que con un PC con windows simplemente no funcionaba.

Saludos.

...pues va a ser que no...

Hello everyone,

My name is Uli Behringer, CEO of MUSIC; parent company of Tannoy, Midas, Klark Teknik, Lab Gruppen, Lake, Turbosound, and several other leading brands.

First of all I like to thank you for your honest comments and the passion with which you write. I truly respect how much you care about the brand, its history and especially the people behind Tannoy. I also fully understand the sensitivities this announcement has created and the potential consequences it has for the affected people.

To be perfectly clear I am here to listen and answer your questions in an open and honest way. As the Founder and CEO I am the first one to stand up and accept responsibility. I will try to answer your questions where I can and respond with facts, but also leave out the ones where I can’t contribute in a meaningful way. All I ask is that we engage one another in a polite and respectful manner to make this a useful discussion.

Allow me to offer some facts.

Around one year ago we acquired the TC Group, which among other brands, included Tannoy and its Scottish manufacturing facility. During this year, we spent much time analyzing the performance of the company and its future outlook. Opposite to some statements here, the Scottish entity is losing substantial money and I am sure you will understand that it is paramount that a company runs profitably in order to be able to pay wages, cover operational cost and simply survive. It became clear that in order to save the brand in this heavily competing market, and in particular on the residential side of the business, fundamental changes would be required. We are currently entering a so called “consultation period” where all options are discussed together with the employees and the union, which means no final decision has been reached.

It want you to understand how much we all love the Tannoy brand, its incredible history and the tremendous effort that has gone into the last 90 years. I do know what it takes to build a company from the ground up as I started our business in my living room and invested nearly 30 years of my life building it together with our dedicated people. As a sound engineer and classical pianist by training, my main motivation is to achieve excellence – and this in every possible way.
However, in order to stay relevant, a company has to continuously reinvent itself. There are too many unfortunate examples of once brilliant companies that didn’t make it; just look at Nakamichi, Aiwa, or Nokia and Kodak, etc.

What is the plan for Tannoy?

We have huge plans for Tannoy and will heavily invest in the brand. To be perfectly clear, we are committed and will absolutely continue to invest in flagship products such as Prestige etc. whose manufacturing will remain in Europe.
What most people don’t know is that for many years Tannoy has already been producing speakers in China in line with other companies such as Bowers & Wilkins, Bang Olufsen, KEF, etc. and we are now planning to move those products into our own China factory. Rather than leaving production to external subcontractors which we cannot control, we will be moving these products into our own state of the art and fully automated manufacturing facility; all under the leadership of extremely dedicated managers and engineers from the UK, USA and several other Western countries. We believe this is a very positive aspect for Tannoy and should you ever visit Asia, I would like to invite you to come visit us. Perhaps we can post some pictures in the near future, so you get a clear impression.
The major impact for Tannoy is on the professional side, where we are moving all of the pro products to our China facility as we have a fully automated driver and speaker production line in place which provides us with strong manufacturing efficiency and logistics benefits as we can combine shipments with our other brands.

When we acquired the British companies Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound some years ago, we made a massive investment of over US$ 20 million and opened a Center of Excellence in Manchester, UK where we hired close to 100 engineers. Since then these brands have tremendously grown which has allowed us to hire more people and invest in more equipment etc. We are currently opening a high tech acoustic Center of Excellence in our Manchester facility, all dedicated to Tannoy and Turbosound.

I hope this information helps you to understand that there is an exciting future for Tannoy. In this spirit I like to invite you to participate in the future of Tannoy and engage with us. We are very interested to learn for example about product ideas you may have or product categories we should enter.

Thank you for listening.

Uli

I fully agree that Tannoy needs a fresh assessment to understand what customers truly desire in terms of industrial design as you correctly state that not everyone lives in a manor house. This is exactly the feedback we received from many Tannoy dealers who requested more contemporary designs. We are now in the process to engage with leading UK industrial design companies to provide us with cutting edge designs. At the same time we have every intention to maintain the traditional designs and in fact even contemplate to revive some of the legendary products from the past.

In my view, the soul and identity of a brand does not come from the building that the company is located in, but the brilliant and passionate minds behind it. Also we absolutely do not discriminate when it comes to nationalities as we love all people who put their heart and soul into their work, no matter where they come from. In the same manner as we have multiple nationalities working at the current Tannoy facility, we have fantastic people from all over the world working at the Manchester facility. As a Swiss national myself, I believe I have skills that go beyond making just watches, and we have brilliant Indian people in our company that provide incredible work in all areas.
As we are moving into an exciting new chapter with Tannoy, technology will play a huge role. The proximity to our high-tech Midas DSP & Software engineers in Manchester will be instrumental to provide Tannoy with modern DSP and streaming technology etc. We are currently working on technology that allows to continuously monitor each driver to ensure they perform perfectly at all times; like in the old days of Philips’ “motional feedback” technology, modern high-speed DSP’s now allow for incredible possibilities that never existed before.

Lord-ka escribió:

transfer escribió:Yo voy un poco más allá . hablamos de componentes y sus procedimiento de fabricación así como donde están fabricados y se nos pasa una de las cosas más importante que son la propia placa y sus soldaduras , de que vale un buen componente en una porquería de placa con otra porquería de soldaduras ? , os lo digo por que yo e visto muchas placas y muchas soldadura y es muy importante y casi nadie se fija en eso . etapas enormes con buenos componentes pero con placas y soldaduras que cualquier pletina de los 70 las trae 100 veces mejores

Amigo Transfer, cuanta razón tienes....
Yo me he librado de algunas compras absolutamente fraudulentas, gracias a que tengo buenos contactos con empresas de Servicio Técnico de equipos de Alto Nivel.
Y cuando te enseñan alguna placa o formas de construcción internas, de algunos fabricantes de prestigio o con nombre muy conocido, se te "abren las carnes".
Averías repetitivas por mala calidad de fabricación. Por placas absolutamente malisimas. Por soldaduras de aprendiz malo, o por chapuzas de todo tipo.
Algunas marcas de mucho nombre deberían replantearse su futuro y su nombre. Porque no hacen honor a su nombre, ni a su prestigio y el futuro pinta mal para ellos.
Saludos cordiales.
Y honradamente, que cada uno haga lo que quiera.
Al final, los consumidores somos los que tenemos la última palabra.
Saludos cordiales.
Lord-ka

¿Qué fabricantes de prestigio o con nombre muy conocido? No pasa nada por decirlo. De nada sirve comentarlo si no pone nombres y apellidos.