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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Cómo no,
me refiero a una leve coloración muy agradable en su zona media-alta que con la electrónica adecuada que lejos de alejarla de ofrecer timbres correctos a través de una buena escala musical y su facilidad para mostrar el pitch del que tanto hablo y además sin entorpecer el estrecho rango donde se produce "el ataque", mostrándose rápidas y ágiles..........un chuletón al punto con un buen vino.Parece mentira cuando pueden sonar totalmente al revés.............son puñeteras, pueden hacerte pasar la idea del suicidio por la cabeza si no las "conoces".
El sello de un buen ampli 300B (ojo, no con una por canal......así no les haces ni cosquillas...........vuelvo a citar el Mastersound 300B P.S.E) es la "vuelta de rosca" al sello ls3/5a.
Ampli que se mentiene muy cerca de esa "vuelta de rosca" de la que hablo el Densen DM10MK2...............el Puresound A30 es una mezcla brutal entre ambos dos que hacen del binomino una combinación perfectamente definitiva en términos musicales y con un fun factor con el que uno siempre ha soñado.
saludos
gizmo
me refiero a una leve coloración muy agradable en su zona media-alta que con la electrónica adecuada que lejos de alejarla de ofrecer timbres correctos a través de una buena escala musical y su facilidad para mostrar el pitch del que tanto hablo y además sin entorpecer el estrecho rango donde se produce "el ataque", mostrándose rápidas y ágiles..........un chuletón al punto con un buen vino.Parece mentira cuando pueden sonar totalmente al revés.............son puñeteras, pueden hacerte pasar la idea del suicidio por la cabeza si no las "conoces".
El sello de un buen ampli 300B (ojo, no con una por canal......así no les haces ni cosquillas...........vuelvo a citar el Mastersound 300B P.S.E) es la "vuelta de rosca" al sello ls3/5a.
Ampli que se mentiene muy cerca de esa "vuelta de rosca" de la que hablo el Densen DM10MK2...............el Puresound A30 es una mezcla brutal entre ambos dos que hacen del binomino una combinación perfectamente definitiva en términos musicales y con un fun factor con el que uno siempre ha soñado.
saludos
gizmo
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Gracias Gizmo, a mi me parece el sonido de las LS3 un sonido digamos en términos globales muy "elaborado". Toda la zona media es muy preponderante, como un poco echada hacia adelante, la transparencia suficiente que tienen no oscurecen junto con el detalle equilibran muy bien una sensación de cuerpo pero sobre todo en el medio grave y grave. La zona alta en efecto es muy agradable y a mi juicio mucho más extendida de lo que a priori se pudiera pensar de un formato BBC.
Insistes tanto en esos dos amplis que tarde o temprano tendré que probarlos..
Insistes tanto en esos dos amplis que tarde o temprano tendré que probarlos..
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Esa imagen frontal de la que hablas no lo es tanto, sin restar un ápice en su inmediatez, tanto con el 300BPSE como con el DM10MK2, ambos añaden un plus de aire y perspectiva a la imagen que terminan por dar al resultado final una sensación de "ingravidez" simplemente deliciosa. El contraste sobre un "negro" perfecto (silencio) sobre el que se proyecta la imagen, amén de su capacidad para hacerlas sonar grandes al más mínimo volumen son algunas de sus cualidades presentes entre su "arsenal" de aptitudes.
Esta sala tiene casi 30m2 y te puedes hacer una idea de la distancia entre caja y caja, con el punto de escucha situado a 3,70 metros y con presión medida de 85dbs con un sonido abrumador.
El A30, infunde inmediatez y no se podría hablar de una imagen ni ligeramente "retrasada", pero ni falta que le hace para mostrarse "más ampli" que un Naim XS2, por citar un ejemplo claro de amplificador también "lógico" para ellas..............pero ni lo huele, tendriamos que hablar del Supernait2 si de no salir de la marca se tratase. Podría citar integrados por debajo de 6000€ que no solo no superan las "formas y actitud" del A30 con las ls3/5a sino que ni se le acercan. No es cuestión de pasta, es cuestión de ir en la dirección adecuada.
Edito: Acabo de llegar de Granada después de una semana. Me habría encantado poder escuchar esas Chartwell.
saludos
gizmo
Esta sala tiene casi 30m2 y te puedes hacer una idea de la distancia entre caja y caja, con el punto de escucha situado a 3,70 metros y con presión medida de 85dbs con un sonido abrumador.
El A30, infunde inmediatez y no se podría hablar de una imagen ni ligeramente "retrasada", pero ni falta que le hace para mostrarse "más ampli" que un Naim XS2, por citar un ejemplo claro de amplificador también "lógico" para ellas..............pero ni lo huele, tendriamos que hablar del Supernait2 si de no salir de la marca se tratase. Podría citar integrados por debajo de 6000€ que no solo no superan las "formas y actitud" del A30 con las ls3/5a sino que ni se le acercan. No es cuestión de pasta, es cuestión de ir en la dirección adecuada.
Edito: Acabo de llegar de Granada después de una semana. Me habría encantado poder escuchar esas Chartwell.
saludos
gizmo
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Has escuchado algo en Granada
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
gizmo escribió:
Edito: Acabo de llegar de Granada después de una semana. Me habría encantado poder escuchar esas Chartwell.
saludos
gizmo
Vaya pues de haberlo sabido habríamos quedado! Otra vez avisa con tiempo.
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
No entiendo, Fary. Es una pregunta referente a este viaje? referente a lo largo de mi vida en Granada? Ve al grano hombre
Si concierne a este viaje nada de nada...........bueno sí, el Sábado por la tarde se me caía la baba viendo las diferencias entre un Fender Deluxe Reverb, Vox AC-15 y un precioso Fender Woody Pro Jr. 60º Aniversario con Fender Tele,Strato y Jazzmaster (una con el puente original y otra con otro puente) Gibson Les Paul, Epiphone Casino y una rickenbaker de 12 cuerdas.
Edito, Tenor. Nuestros mensajes se han cruzado. Subo cada dos por tres a Granada, cuenta con ello.
saludos
gizmo
Si concierne a este viaje nada de nada...........bueno sí, el Sábado por la tarde se me caía la baba viendo las diferencias entre un Fender Deluxe Reverb, Vox AC-15 y un precioso Fender Woody Pro Jr. 60º Aniversario con Fender Tele,Strato y Jazzmaster (una con el puente original y otra con otro puente) Gibson Les Paul, Epiphone Casino y una rickenbaker de 12 cuerdas.
Edito, Tenor. Nuestros mensajes se han cruzado. Subo cada dos por tres a Granada, cuenta con ello.
saludos
gizmo
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
hola a todos
como casi siempre llego tarde
lo primero dar la enhorabuena a tenor por que al fin se pudo hacer de una pareja de "chiquitinas"
se de su andanzas tras de unas,y que despues de algunos intentos fallidos,al fin puede disfrutar en su casa de unas,y no unas cualquieras,sino la Mitica Charwell,(por ahi la he visto alguna vez y a precios de escandalo por ello mi mas sincera felicitacion
sobre las cajas poco o nada que añadir a lo aquí escrito,y mas aun por la falta de criterio oreja y experiencia que yo en esto del audio NPI,asi que lo dicho nada que añadir
si decir que las "Chiquitinas"las he escuchado con muchos amplificadores, tanto de valvulas como transsistores,y siempre bien o muy bien,desde beard,atesanal con 300B,conrad jonshon,CR Dplvo,Filarmonia,Copland,y seguro que algunos mas que no recuerdo,eso de valvulas ,en Transistores,Cyrus,Marantz,Krell,Nad,Avi,Densen,Cambrige,Restek,Pass,y tambien algunos otros mas.y luego las he visto con mnuchos otros tipos de amplificadores,desde"Basicos" a "Fuera de Parametros",e incluso con una Audio Note O Ganku,o como se diga
asi que algo tendra el agua cuando la Bendicen ç
Yo creo que con el Filarmonia(esa combinacion si la he escuchado)y en mi modestisima opinion puede ser Un final del Camino,al menos para Jacinto que ya lo tiene,como pueden ser otros,sin duda,pero en este caso concreto,"NI MENEALLA" y " A DISFRUTALLA"
Reitero mi enhorabuena a Tenor,y espero que algun dia tener el privilegio de disfrutar tan fantastica combinacio
un abrazo
luis
como casi siempre llego tarde
lo primero dar la enhorabuena a tenor por que al fin se pudo hacer de una pareja de "chiquitinas"
se de su andanzas tras de unas,y que despues de algunos intentos fallidos,al fin puede disfrutar en su casa de unas,y no unas cualquieras,sino la Mitica Charwell,(por ahi la he visto alguna vez y a precios de escandalo por ello mi mas sincera felicitacion
sobre las cajas poco o nada que añadir a lo aquí escrito,y mas aun por la falta de criterio oreja y experiencia que yo en esto del audio NPI,asi que lo dicho nada que añadir
si decir que las "Chiquitinas"las he escuchado con muchos amplificadores, tanto de valvulas como transsistores,y siempre bien o muy bien,desde beard,atesanal con 300B,conrad jonshon,CR Dplvo,Filarmonia,Copland,y seguro que algunos mas que no recuerdo,eso de valvulas ,en Transistores,Cyrus,Marantz,Krell,Nad,Avi,Densen,Cambrige,Restek,Pass,y tambien algunos otros mas.y luego las he visto con mnuchos otros tipos de amplificadores,desde"Basicos" a "Fuera de Parametros",e incluso con una Audio Note O Ganku,o como se diga
asi que algo tendra el agua cuando la Bendicen ç
Yo creo que con el Filarmonia(esa combinacion si la he escuchado)y en mi modestisima opinion puede ser Un final del Camino,al menos para Jacinto que ya lo tiene,como pueden ser otros,sin duda,pero en este caso concreto,"NI MENEALLA" y " A DISFRUTALLA"
Reitero mi enhorabuena a Tenor,y espero que algun dia tener el privilegio de disfrutar tan fantastica combinacio
un abrazo
luis
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Estimado Luis, muchas gracias por tu inestimable ayuda y consejos como forero máster cum laude en Ls3/5a .
Ya me habías "avisado" antes de comprarlas que el binomio Filarmonía -ls3/5a iba a ir muy bien como así ha sido.
Un abrazo.
Ya me habías "avisado" antes de comprarlas que el binomio Filarmonía -ls3/5a iba a ir muy bien como así ha sido.
Un abrazo.
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LS3/5A y amplificación
yo he tenido varios pares de LS3/5A. Una combinación excelente es una Radford STA25 o STA35 (push pull de EL34). A mi personalmente me gusta con ese tipo de etapas, Quad, Leak, Radford, Beard. O sea sonido inglés.
En general es una de las mejores cajas que he oido (a pesar de su tamaño). Y cuidado no todas las versiones de esta caja suenan igual. Las mejores (para mi gusto) son las de 15 ohmios y las de 11 ohmios (y Rogers a poder ser). El único problema es que actualmente el precio se dispara. Si alguien tiene curiosidad que vea el enlace ls3/5a
En general es una de las mejores cajas que he oido (a pesar de su tamaño). Y cuidado no todas las versiones de esta caja suenan igual. Las mejores (para mi gusto) son las de 15 ohmios y las de 11 ohmios (y Rogers a poder ser). El único problema es que actualmente el precio se dispara. Si alguien tiene curiosidad que vea el enlace ls3/5a
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
xtriodos escribió:yo he tenido varios pares de LS3/5A. Una combinación excelente es una Radford STA25 o STA35 (push pull de EL34). A mi personalmente me gusta con ese tipo de etapas, Quad, Leak, Radford, Beard. O sea sonido inglés.
En general es una de las mejores cajas que he oido (a pesar de su tamaño). Y cuidado no todas las versiones de esta caja suenan igual. Las mejores (para mi gusto) son las de 15 ohmios y las de 11 ohmios (y Rogers a poder ser). El único problema es que actualmente el precio se dispara. Si alguien tiene curiosidad que vea el enlace ls3/5a
¿Puedes comentar qué diferencias hay entre unas Rogers y unas Chartwell por ejemplo? y entre las de 15 y las de 11 ohm?
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Luis, estabas tardando en este hilo
anímate y comenta tus impresiones en primera persona entre tus queridas Harbeth ls3/5a y tus nuevas Stirling ls3/5a V2!!
Audion, Border Patrol, Audio Innovations, Puresound, Audio Note,Michaelson & Austin ...........
Cyrus, Exposure, Onix, Bryston, Densen, Dynavector, Accuphase, Sugden, DNM, DNA, Clone Audio, Quad, Naim (especialmente Nait 2) Avondale, Croft............
joder, con este hilo me está entrando mono de ls3/5a............con lo que me gusta a mí un minimonitor!!!
Un abrazo!!
anímate y comenta tus impresiones en primera persona entre tus queridas Harbeth ls3/5a y tus nuevas Stirling ls3/5a V2!!
Audion, Border Patrol, Audio Innovations, Puresound, Audio Note,Michaelson & Austin ...........
Cyrus, Exposure, Onix, Bryston, Densen, Dynavector, Accuphase, Sugden, DNM, DNA, Clone Audio, Quad, Naim (especialmente Nait 2) Avondale, Croft............
joder, con este hilo me está entrando mono de ls3/5a............con lo que me gusta a mí un minimonitor!!!
Un abrazo!!
Última edición por gizmo el Dom 01 Mar 2015, 22:56, editado 1 vez
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
a modo de curiosidad
hubo una famosa prueba organizada por El Critico Ken Kesler,de hifines,y uno de los locos enamorados de las LS3/5a,en ella se organizaron varias escuchas de diferentes tipos de Ls3´s,charwell,harberth spendor,rogers y en diferentes versiones 11 omh,15,bica-monocableado etc
la ganadora,(en base a la nota media dfadfa por todos los que pariciparon en las sesiones y en base a varios parametros,agudo,medio grave etc,repito la ganadora fue
la Harbeth de 11 omh, seguida por la charwell a muy poca distancia
para quien le interese
The Hi Fi News LS3/5A Shootout
This article was published in the June 2001 issue of HiFi News and is the copyright of Ken Kessler and IPC Media. It may not be reproduced elsewhere without permission. It appears here by kind permission of Ken Kessler and HiFi News.
It's all because of an e-mail. Paul Whatton, who turned out to be quite 'local', had organised a news group on-line, devoted to BBC LS3/5As. Normally, I avoid such groups - I'll give a bottle of Scotch to the individual who can get me off the frikkin' Joenet - but this was different: Paul is the son of Maurice Whatton MIEE, who just so happened to be one of the LS3/5A's designers. I checked it out, logged on to the accompanying website, and found the kind of enthusiasm which I wish permeated the entire home-ent community.
True, there were some saddos with anal-retentive qualities which would scare anyone new to audiophilia, but that comes with the territory: anoraks are both enthusiasts and psychotics, and the two characteristics are inseparable. You need it to fuel a news group. The topics ranged from what stands to use with the LS3/5As, to what's the best subwoofer, best amp, are JR149s as good, etc, etc, etc. Before I knew it, Paul and I had cooked up a plan to deal with the group's most oft-raised topic: what is the best LS3/5A of them all?
We realised that, without much difficulty, we could gather together examples of the most important ones, that I could easily find qualified listening panels, and that I had the perfect venue for auditioning a small monitor or 12. Over a period of some four months, I arranged three listening sessions with two listeners each, consistent right down to the room's ambient temperature. [68 degrees] The goal was to find which commercially-produced LS3/5A best approximated BBC-badged LS3/5A numbers 001/002, loaned to us by a private collector. Up against them were the following:
Audiomaster 15 ohm (loaned by web group member Deng Zhuo)
Chartwell kit version 15 ohm (assembled by and property of Paul Whatton)
Harbeth 11 ohm (loaned by Alan Shaw of Harbeth)
KEF 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
KEF 11 ohm lacquered (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm lacquered (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm XLR (belonging to Andy Whittle of Exposure)
Rogers 15 ohm (property of Nic Poulsen of Trilogy)
Spendor 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
Spendor 15 ohm (from Spendor's Derek Hughes, once belonging to Spencer Hughes)
Note that all of the 11 ohm models, except for the XLR Rogers and the Harbeths, were bi-wireable, but all tests were undertaken in single-wire mode. And we'd like to think that we managed to assemble a representative sampling. Aside from the lack of a Goodmans model - and most experts thought their omission was a blessing! - we covered a lot of the bases, missing out only on some oddball limited editions made for Asia. We did, however, include two of the 'deluxes': the Rogers lacquered version with WBT terminals from the last 50 LS3/5As they ever made and the lacquered KEF. Technically, these are out of spec because of the cabinet treatment, which varies from BBC practice. Surely this would affect the sound?
THE LISTENING TEAM
We wanted a mix of industry listeners and civilians, LS3/5A fans and virgins, and that's what we got:
Jim Creed: plumber, world-class collector of hi-fi, never owned LS3/5As, uses Sonus Faber Extremas; system/collection soon to be profiled in Hi-Fi News
Steve Harris: Editor of Hi-Fi News and LS3/5A owner
Nic Poulsen: Founder and boss of Trilogy, valve wizard and ex-BBC employee; bought his LS3/5As (in our survey) while a BBC employee
Peter Roberts: watchmaker, collector of vintage hi-fi and completely new to the LS3/5A. Uses Quad ESLs as his reference, but now owns LS3/5As.
Paul Whatton: son of Maurice, LS3/5A fanatic without peer, for the past 5 years, Senior Lecturer in Film & Video at Surrey Institute of Art & Design University College. Previously Freelance broadcast television sound recordist. To quote Paul, 'One of my regular credits used to be on See-Hear the BBC2 programme for the deaf - how do you like that, a stereo sound recordist on a programme for deaf people!!'
Andy Whittle: Ex-Rogers, now head of Exposure and designer of the Rogers AB1 subwoofer for the LS3/5A. Probably heard more LS3/5As than anyone.
Because I was conducting the sessions, I bowed out of the listening, but I will state at this point that I agree wholeheartedly with the final tally. What everyone agreed was that BBC 001/002 were so vastly superior to all of the others that we simply couldn't include them in the survey. Instead, they acted as the true reference, and were auditioned before the sessions and again half-way through.
THE LISTENING SYSTEM
Because we wanted the system totally optimised for the LS3/5A, to be free of variation, to be consistent and to be easy to use, I settled on the Krell KPS25sc CD player as the best front-end, fed into the Musical Fidelity M3 integrated amplifier with Discovery cable. Naturally, there were calls for the speakers only to be driven by Quad IIs, or for the source to be vinyl, yadayadayada, but such naivety, indicative of people who have never undertaken a multi-unit test, was swiftly dismissed.
Why? In order to guarantee, for example, that an LP used for the demo source was in exactly the same state for each speaker, one would need 36 virgin copies of the same disc (12 speakers x 3 listening sessions). LPs wear, right? And then there's stylus wear. Given slight impedance variations speaker to speaker, warm-up, valve life, ad nauseum, I wanted a new amp but one which was run in, bomb-proof, with remote control for ease of use, and with so much power that we'd never get it near to clipping. Enter the M3, globally regarded as a stunning performer.
System ancillaries included A.R.T. Audio cable, Foundation 24in stands made originally for LS3/5As, and Mana Acoustics' superb platforms, designed to go under speaker stands. The latter proved to be an amazing addition, even though the Foundations Mana stands would be spiked directly into a solid concrete floor 3ft thick. They seemed to extend bass and improve lower level control, while smoothing the upper registers. Uncanny!
Each speaker was auditioned with three completely different pieces of music, chosen to both exploit and challenge the LS3/5A. If we were true to its original purpose, spoken word would have been enough; as Harbeth's Alan Shaw told me, he designed his earliest speakers using his daughter's voice as the reference. The music we used included:
The Judds: 'Don't Be Cruel' from (RCA PD90243) - clear female vocals, modern studio production, superb country musicians, but with the potential to suffer sibilance
Corey Harris: 'High Fever Blues' from (Alligator ALCD4850) - textured male vocals, mainly acoustic blues, deep punchy brass, taxes the low end while exploiting the middle
Eddy Louiss: 'Blues For Klook' from (Nocturne NTCD101) - wholly synthesised jazz, with deep bass, rapid transients and frightening dynamics
The listeners graded each speaker on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the best) in the categories of bass, mid and treble quality, transients and imaging, with the overall result determined by points. Hence, with six listeners, a perfect score was 300.
LS3/5A TEST RESULTS
Now, what you've all been waiting for: the final tally. And, to my absolute delight, it proved to be thoroughly unpredictable, with only one of the news group's preconceptions - that the Chartwell was a killer - coming true:
1) Harbeth 11 ohm 257.5
2) Chartwell 15 ohm 243.5
3) Rogers 11 ohm (lacquered) 243
4) Spendor 15 ohm 239.5
5) Spendor 11 ohm 233.5
6) KEF 11 ohm (lacquered) 233
7) Rogers 15 ohm 230.5
KEF 11 ohm 226
9) Audiomaster 15 ohm 217
10) Rogers 11 ohm 212.5
11) Rogers 11 ohm XLR 197
So what do we make of this? Out of 11 pairs, we rounded up four 15 ohm and seven 11 ohm, and the 11 ohm models took 1st, 3rd, 5th and 6th places, clearly indicating - were this a Grand Prix - that the 11 ohm team beats the allegedly superior, 15 ohm originals. Conversely, an 11 ohm speaker nabbed the bottom position by a solid 15.5 points...
Then a sane voice pops up, 'But all of the 15 ohm models are by definition older, and therefore likely to suffer from age!' To which we must reply, 'This may be arguable in their defence, but the hands-down best-ever LS3/5A is the 15 ohm BBC model we used as a reference, which was so good that we took it out of the running. And that's one of the oldest LS3/5As on earth. And the No. 2 speaker after the Harbeth is a 15 ohm model. So age is NOT a factor.'
As we tried analysing the results, it became clear that the two lacquered models benefited from having heavier cabinets (as did the hand-built BBC Nos. 001/002 and the Chartwell kit), although technically that would make them non-standard. But then you have to look at the scores: the much revered Chartwell only beat the much-loathed lacquered Rogers by 0.5 point, while the Spendor 11 ohm - a standout among the standard 11 ohm models - beat the lacquered KEF by only 0.5 point. And if I'd had my druthers, I'd knock off those half-points and call 2nd and 5th places "ties".
Paul mused about the way the results panned out, noting that, 'LS3/5A cabinets were not usually - or at all? - made in-house by the licensees but were subcontracted out to a number of specialist cabinet manufacturers in the UK. And this got me thinking. The BBC reference LS3/5As which were made up by their equipment department used screwed-on backs, whereas production units were glued together. Anyone who has been lucky enough to hear a pair of these will know that they sound outstanding. I don't think anyone who took part on the listening panels would disagree that they sounded better than any of the production LS3/5As.
'Andy Whittle from Rogers suggested to me that the screw-on-backs were probably the reason they sound so good. Screwing instead of gluing the backs makes for a lossier cabinet, something that is very desirable. Harwood also reported in his BBC technical paper on the development of the cabinet for the LS3/5 that a pair with faulty gluing between the fillets and cabinet walls sounded and measured outstandingly well (he published the measurements). But he added that, unfortunately, it wasn't possibly to make speakers with consistently bad gluing!
'So there's my hypothesis: the differences in LS3/5As are the result of variation in cabinet manufacturing. Wouldn't it be interesting to see if there was any correlation between the cabinet manufacturer used and the rated performance?'
Er, thanks, Paul, but I'll leave that to someone else.
After all the tests were completed, there was a consistent response from all six listeners; note that they were in three groups of two and never consulted with the others. All the listeners, to a man, left with a newfound respect for the LS3/5A, even Andy Whittle who must be way beyond bored with the speaker. We sat there amazed as the speakers continued to deliver sound which, even by 2001 standards, defies belief. (It was only after switching to Wilson WATT Puppy System 6 that we realised how much was missing down below, especially from the Eddy Louiss track.) Secondly, all agreed that it was a scandal that the speaker was no longer available. And even though everyone accepted that the XLR-equipped Rogers 11 ohm model deserved last place, Peter Roberts summed it up with the following: 'Whatever way you look at it, there wasn't a bad one in the lot.'
LS3/5A VARIATIONS
Aside from acquiring 'famous' pairs, like Spencer Hughes' own and pair 001/002, we mixed it up with some success, for this is the most comprehensive list we can assemble; we've left out oddities like those customised by the Mod Squad. Also, acknowledging Trevor Butler's definitive LS3/5A history from Hi-Fi News, March 1990, we accept that wannabbe licensees like JPW and RAM probably never produced speakers which actually reached the street:
1) Rogers 15 ohm
2) Rogers 11 ohm
3) Rogers 11 ohm Studio Edition
4) Rogers 11 ohm bi-wire
5) Rogers 11 ohm Limited Edition (Lacquered rosewood)
6) KEF 11 ohm bi-wire
7) KEF 11 ohm Limited Edition (Piano Black lacquer)
Spendor 15 ohm
9) Spendor 11 ohm
10) Spendor 11 ohm bi-wire
11) Spendor 11 ohm Cardas Wire Special
12) Harbeth 11 ohm
13) Harbeth 11 ohm Gold Pro (rosewood cabinet, gold plated grille tweeter)
14) Harbeth 11 ohm Gold Special Edition (ebony cabinet, gold plated grille tweeter)
15) Harbeth Alan Shaw Signature Edition
16) Goodmans 15 ohm
17) Audiomaster 15 ohm
18) Chartwell 15 ohm
19) Chartwell 15 ohm Project 50 kit
SOME LS3/5A TRIVA
1) There never was a Harbeth 15 ohm version
2) All 15 ohm version use "transformer"-like inductor in the x-over. No 11 ohm has this type of inductor.
3) Whacko collector types, especially in Asia, favour the Chartwell over all others. The latest collector lunacy (especially in Malaysia) is lusting for 'white belly' LS3/5As, which - as far as we can tell - refers to 15 ohm versions where the white colour in the bass unit is the result of application of the glue or epoxy.
4) For 1978 the line up was:
Audiomaster £168.75
Chartwell £168.75
Rogers £173.81
5) For 1984 we had:
Goodmans £194.00
Rogers £228.00
Spendor £222.00
6) As far as we can tell, the production numbers in pairs from the four major suppliers were as follows, with Chartwell, KEF and Goodmans probably numbering only in the hundreds.
ROGERS ca 50k
SPENDOR ca 22k
AUDIOMASTER ca 10-12k
HARBETH ca 7k
TOTAL: circa 100,000 including all others.
LS3/5A ON-LINE
Our fave little monitor is well-served by the world-wide web. The Harbeth and LS3/5A sites will provide you with the original BBC technical papers, while the LS3/5A site has reproduced Trevor Butler's history of the speaker.
Harbeth: www.harbeth.com
LS3/5A web site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ls35a
LS3/5A news group: http://home.freeuk.com/pwhatton/ls35a.html
You can also join the news group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ls35a
FROM DEREK HUGHES
I'm reproducing this verbatim; watch this space, because we WILL follow up on it:
Hello Ken,
To fill out a few details on the thinking behind the LS3/5A crossover project, our thought is to produce crossovers in individual boxes (to give maximum flexibility of positioning), using high spec components, air-cored chokes wound with OFC wire, Polypropylene caps, non-inductive Metal Oxide resistors. The crossovers would be bi-wired, with the output being on both binding posts and Speakon.
We also plan to produce a 'premium' version with higher-spec caps and foil tape chokes. We also feel that to match the LF & HF levels by Auto-transformer (as in the original version) is a better solution technically than the resistor ladder network of the later version, so our crossover will use an Auto-transformer for both old & new versions. We also feel that although powder cores are better at high power levels compared to the original RadioMetal chokes, they tend to give inferior performance at low signal levels. Air-cored chokes give better performance than either, of course.
We hope to have the first prototypes ready in about 4-5 weeks. We also plan be able to provide a 'conversion' service to customers if they wish.
Hope this is helpful
Derek
info@cicable.com
www.cicable.com
ROGERS RETURN?
At the Tonbridge audio fair, I was handed a press release stating that 'Two of the oldest and proudest names in loudspeaker manufacturing, namely Rogers and Richard Allen, have been combined to build "the best of British audio" and are to be branded collectively as Rogers RA.' The new company has announced that it will be producing assorted speakers including the Studio 7 and Studio 9, but most intriguing is the punchline: the suggestion that the company might relaunch the BBC LS3/5A.
Tel 011 44 1344 87 44 07 or 011 44 1484 54 98 99
FAX 011 44 1344 63 88 30 or 011 44 1484 53 30 38
www.loudspeakers-online.com
hubo una famosa prueba organizada por El Critico Ken Kesler,de hifines,y uno de los locos enamorados de las LS3/5a,en ella se organizaron varias escuchas de diferentes tipos de Ls3´s,charwell,harberth spendor,rogers y en diferentes versiones 11 omh,15,bica-monocableado etc
la ganadora,(en base a la nota media dfadfa por todos los que pariciparon en las sesiones y en base a varios parametros,agudo,medio grave etc,repito la ganadora fue
la Harbeth de 11 omh, seguida por la charwell a muy poca distancia
para quien le interese
The Hi Fi News LS3/5A Shootout
This article was published in the June 2001 issue of HiFi News and is the copyright of Ken Kessler and IPC Media. It may not be reproduced elsewhere without permission. It appears here by kind permission of Ken Kessler and HiFi News.
It's all because of an e-mail. Paul Whatton, who turned out to be quite 'local', had organised a news group on-line, devoted to BBC LS3/5As. Normally, I avoid such groups - I'll give a bottle of Scotch to the individual who can get me off the frikkin' Joenet - but this was different: Paul is the son of Maurice Whatton MIEE, who just so happened to be one of the LS3/5A's designers. I checked it out, logged on to the accompanying website, and found the kind of enthusiasm which I wish permeated the entire home-ent community.
True, there were some saddos with anal-retentive qualities which would scare anyone new to audiophilia, but that comes with the territory: anoraks are both enthusiasts and psychotics, and the two characteristics are inseparable. You need it to fuel a news group. The topics ranged from what stands to use with the LS3/5As, to what's the best subwoofer, best amp, are JR149s as good, etc, etc, etc. Before I knew it, Paul and I had cooked up a plan to deal with the group's most oft-raised topic: what is the best LS3/5A of them all?
We realised that, without much difficulty, we could gather together examples of the most important ones, that I could easily find qualified listening panels, and that I had the perfect venue for auditioning a small monitor or 12. Over a period of some four months, I arranged three listening sessions with two listeners each, consistent right down to the room's ambient temperature. [68 degrees] The goal was to find which commercially-produced LS3/5A best approximated BBC-badged LS3/5A numbers 001/002, loaned to us by a private collector. Up against them were the following:
Audiomaster 15 ohm (loaned by web group member Deng Zhuo)
Chartwell kit version 15 ohm (assembled by and property of Paul Whatton)
Harbeth 11 ohm (loaned by Alan Shaw of Harbeth)
KEF 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
KEF 11 ohm lacquered (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm lacquered (Kessler Kollection)
Rogers 11 ohm XLR (belonging to Andy Whittle of Exposure)
Rogers 15 ohm (property of Nic Poulsen of Trilogy)
Spendor 11 ohm (Kessler Kollection)
Spendor 15 ohm (from Spendor's Derek Hughes, once belonging to Spencer Hughes)
Note that all of the 11 ohm models, except for the XLR Rogers and the Harbeths, were bi-wireable, but all tests were undertaken in single-wire mode. And we'd like to think that we managed to assemble a representative sampling. Aside from the lack of a Goodmans model - and most experts thought their omission was a blessing! - we covered a lot of the bases, missing out only on some oddball limited editions made for Asia. We did, however, include two of the 'deluxes': the Rogers lacquered version with WBT terminals from the last 50 LS3/5As they ever made and the lacquered KEF. Technically, these are out of spec because of the cabinet treatment, which varies from BBC practice. Surely this would affect the sound?
THE LISTENING TEAM
We wanted a mix of industry listeners and civilians, LS3/5A fans and virgins, and that's what we got:
Jim Creed: plumber, world-class collector of hi-fi, never owned LS3/5As, uses Sonus Faber Extremas; system/collection soon to be profiled in Hi-Fi News
Steve Harris: Editor of Hi-Fi News and LS3/5A owner
Nic Poulsen: Founder and boss of Trilogy, valve wizard and ex-BBC employee; bought his LS3/5As (in our survey) while a BBC employee
Peter Roberts: watchmaker, collector of vintage hi-fi and completely new to the LS3/5A. Uses Quad ESLs as his reference, but now owns LS3/5As.
Paul Whatton: son of Maurice, LS3/5A fanatic without peer, for the past 5 years, Senior Lecturer in Film & Video at Surrey Institute of Art & Design University College. Previously Freelance broadcast television sound recordist. To quote Paul, 'One of my regular credits used to be on See-Hear the BBC2 programme for the deaf - how do you like that, a stereo sound recordist on a programme for deaf people!!'
Andy Whittle: Ex-Rogers, now head of Exposure and designer of the Rogers AB1 subwoofer for the LS3/5A. Probably heard more LS3/5As than anyone.
Because I was conducting the sessions, I bowed out of the listening, but I will state at this point that I agree wholeheartedly with the final tally. What everyone agreed was that BBC 001/002 were so vastly superior to all of the others that we simply couldn't include them in the survey. Instead, they acted as the true reference, and were auditioned before the sessions and again half-way through.
THE LISTENING SYSTEM
Because we wanted the system totally optimised for the LS3/5A, to be free of variation, to be consistent and to be easy to use, I settled on the Krell KPS25sc CD player as the best front-end, fed into the Musical Fidelity M3 integrated amplifier with Discovery cable. Naturally, there were calls for the speakers only to be driven by Quad IIs, or for the source to be vinyl, yadayadayada, but such naivety, indicative of people who have never undertaken a multi-unit test, was swiftly dismissed.
Why? In order to guarantee, for example, that an LP used for the demo source was in exactly the same state for each speaker, one would need 36 virgin copies of the same disc (12 speakers x 3 listening sessions). LPs wear, right? And then there's stylus wear. Given slight impedance variations speaker to speaker, warm-up, valve life, ad nauseum, I wanted a new amp but one which was run in, bomb-proof, with remote control for ease of use, and with so much power that we'd never get it near to clipping. Enter the M3, globally regarded as a stunning performer.
System ancillaries included A.R.T. Audio cable, Foundation 24in stands made originally for LS3/5As, and Mana Acoustics' superb platforms, designed to go under speaker stands. The latter proved to be an amazing addition, even though the Foundations Mana stands would be spiked directly into a solid concrete floor 3ft thick. They seemed to extend bass and improve lower level control, while smoothing the upper registers. Uncanny!
Each speaker was auditioned with three completely different pieces of music, chosen to both exploit and challenge the LS3/5A. If we were true to its original purpose, spoken word would have been enough; as Harbeth's Alan Shaw told me, he designed his earliest speakers using his daughter's voice as the reference. The music we used included:
The Judds: 'Don't Be Cruel' from (RCA PD90243) - clear female vocals, modern studio production, superb country musicians, but with the potential to suffer sibilance
Corey Harris: 'High Fever Blues' from (Alligator ALCD4850) - textured male vocals, mainly acoustic blues, deep punchy brass, taxes the low end while exploiting the middle
Eddy Louiss: 'Blues For Klook' from (Nocturne NTCD101) - wholly synthesised jazz, with deep bass, rapid transients and frightening dynamics
The listeners graded each speaker on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the best) in the categories of bass, mid and treble quality, transients and imaging, with the overall result determined by points. Hence, with six listeners, a perfect score was 300.
LS3/5A TEST RESULTS
Now, what you've all been waiting for: the final tally. And, to my absolute delight, it proved to be thoroughly unpredictable, with only one of the news group's preconceptions - that the Chartwell was a killer - coming true:
1) Harbeth 11 ohm 257.5
2) Chartwell 15 ohm 243.5
3) Rogers 11 ohm (lacquered) 243
4) Spendor 15 ohm 239.5
5) Spendor 11 ohm 233.5
6) KEF 11 ohm (lacquered) 233
7) Rogers 15 ohm 230.5
KEF 11 ohm 226
9) Audiomaster 15 ohm 217
10) Rogers 11 ohm 212.5
11) Rogers 11 ohm XLR 197
So what do we make of this? Out of 11 pairs, we rounded up four 15 ohm and seven 11 ohm, and the 11 ohm models took 1st, 3rd, 5th and 6th places, clearly indicating - were this a Grand Prix - that the 11 ohm team beats the allegedly superior, 15 ohm originals. Conversely, an 11 ohm speaker nabbed the bottom position by a solid 15.5 points...
Then a sane voice pops up, 'But all of the 15 ohm models are by definition older, and therefore likely to suffer from age!' To which we must reply, 'This may be arguable in their defence, but the hands-down best-ever LS3/5A is the 15 ohm BBC model we used as a reference, which was so good that we took it out of the running. And that's one of the oldest LS3/5As on earth. And the No. 2 speaker after the Harbeth is a 15 ohm model. So age is NOT a factor.'
As we tried analysing the results, it became clear that the two lacquered models benefited from having heavier cabinets (as did the hand-built BBC Nos. 001/002 and the Chartwell kit), although technically that would make them non-standard. But then you have to look at the scores: the much revered Chartwell only beat the much-loathed lacquered Rogers by 0.5 point, while the Spendor 11 ohm - a standout among the standard 11 ohm models - beat the lacquered KEF by only 0.5 point. And if I'd had my druthers, I'd knock off those half-points and call 2nd and 5th places "ties".
Paul mused about the way the results panned out, noting that, 'LS3/5A cabinets were not usually - or at all? - made in-house by the licensees but were subcontracted out to a number of specialist cabinet manufacturers in the UK. And this got me thinking. The BBC reference LS3/5As which were made up by their equipment department used screwed-on backs, whereas production units were glued together. Anyone who has been lucky enough to hear a pair of these will know that they sound outstanding. I don't think anyone who took part on the listening panels would disagree that they sounded better than any of the production LS3/5As.
'Andy Whittle from Rogers suggested to me that the screw-on-backs were probably the reason they sound so good. Screwing instead of gluing the backs makes for a lossier cabinet, something that is very desirable. Harwood also reported in his BBC technical paper on the development of the cabinet for the LS3/5 that a pair with faulty gluing between the fillets and cabinet walls sounded and measured outstandingly well (he published the measurements). But he added that, unfortunately, it wasn't possibly to make speakers with consistently bad gluing!
'So there's my hypothesis: the differences in LS3/5As are the result of variation in cabinet manufacturing. Wouldn't it be interesting to see if there was any correlation between the cabinet manufacturer used and the rated performance?'
Er, thanks, Paul, but I'll leave that to someone else.
After all the tests were completed, there was a consistent response from all six listeners; note that they were in three groups of two and never consulted with the others. All the listeners, to a man, left with a newfound respect for the LS3/5A, even Andy Whittle who must be way beyond bored with the speaker. We sat there amazed as the speakers continued to deliver sound which, even by 2001 standards, defies belief. (It was only after switching to Wilson WATT Puppy System 6 that we realised how much was missing down below, especially from the Eddy Louiss track.) Secondly, all agreed that it was a scandal that the speaker was no longer available. And even though everyone accepted that the XLR-equipped Rogers 11 ohm model deserved last place, Peter Roberts summed it up with the following: 'Whatever way you look at it, there wasn't a bad one in the lot.'
LS3/5A VARIATIONS
Aside from acquiring 'famous' pairs, like Spencer Hughes' own and pair 001/002, we mixed it up with some success, for this is the most comprehensive list we can assemble; we've left out oddities like those customised by the Mod Squad. Also, acknowledging Trevor Butler's definitive LS3/5A history from Hi-Fi News, March 1990, we accept that wannabbe licensees like JPW and RAM probably never produced speakers which actually reached the street:
1) Rogers 15 ohm
2) Rogers 11 ohm
3) Rogers 11 ohm Studio Edition
4) Rogers 11 ohm bi-wire
5) Rogers 11 ohm Limited Edition (Lacquered rosewood)
6) KEF 11 ohm bi-wire
7) KEF 11 ohm Limited Edition (Piano Black lacquer)
Spendor 15 ohm
9) Spendor 11 ohm
10) Spendor 11 ohm bi-wire
11) Spendor 11 ohm Cardas Wire Special
12) Harbeth 11 ohm
13) Harbeth 11 ohm Gold Pro (rosewood cabinet, gold plated grille tweeter)
14) Harbeth 11 ohm Gold Special Edition (ebony cabinet, gold plated grille tweeter)
15) Harbeth Alan Shaw Signature Edition
16) Goodmans 15 ohm
17) Audiomaster 15 ohm
18) Chartwell 15 ohm
19) Chartwell 15 ohm Project 50 kit
SOME LS3/5A TRIVA
1) There never was a Harbeth 15 ohm version
2) All 15 ohm version use "transformer"-like inductor in the x-over. No 11 ohm has this type of inductor.
3) Whacko collector types, especially in Asia, favour the Chartwell over all others. The latest collector lunacy (especially in Malaysia) is lusting for 'white belly' LS3/5As, which - as far as we can tell - refers to 15 ohm versions where the white colour in the bass unit is the result of application of the glue or epoxy.
4) For 1978 the line up was:
Audiomaster £168.75
Chartwell £168.75
Rogers £173.81
5) For 1984 we had:
Goodmans £194.00
Rogers £228.00
Spendor £222.00
6) As far as we can tell, the production numbers in pairs from the four major suppliers were as follows, with Chartwell, KEF and Goodmans probably numbering only in the hundreds.
ROGERS ca 50k
SPENDOR ca 22k
AUDIOMASTER ca 10-12k
HARBETH ca 7k
TOTAL: circa 100,000 including all others.
LS3/5A ON-LINE
Our fave little monitor is well-served by the world-wide web. The Harbeth and LS3/5A sites will provide you with the original BBC technical papers, while the LS3/5A site has reproduced Trevor Butler's history of the speaker.
Harbeth: www.harbeth.com
LS3/5A web site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ls35a
LS3/5A news group: http://home.freeuk.com/pwhatton/ls35a.html
You can also join the news group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ls35a
FROM DEREK HUGHES
I'm reproducing this verbatim; watch this space, because we WILL follow up on it:
Hello Ken,
To fill out a few details on the thinking behind the LS3/5A crossover project, our thought is to produce crossovers in individual boxes (to give maximum flexibility of positioning), using high spec components, air-cored chokes wound with OFC wire, Polypropylene caps, non-inductive Metal Oxide resistors. The crossovers would be bi-wired, with the output being on both binding posts and Speakon.
We also plan to produce a 'premium' version with higher-spec caps and foil tape chokes. We also feel that to match the LF & HF levels by Auto-transformer (as in the original version) is a better solution technically than the resistor ladder network of the later version, so our crossover will use an Auto-transformer for both old & new versions. We also feel that although powder cores are better at high power levels compared to the original RadioMetal chokes, they tend to give inferior performance at low signal levels. Air-cored chokes give better performance than either, of course.
We hope to have the first prototypes ready in about 4-5 weeks. We also plan be able to provide a 'conversion' service to customers if they wish.
Hope this is helpful
Derek
info@cicable.com
www.cicable.com
ROGERS RETURN?
At the Tonbridge audio fair, I was handed a press release stating that 'Two of the oldest and proudest names in loudspeaker manufacturing, namely Rogers and Richard Allen, have been combined to build "the best of British audio" and are to be branded collectively as Rogers RA.' The new company has announced that it will be producing assorted speakers including the Studio 7 and Studio 9, but most intriguing is the punchline: the suggestion that the company might relaunch the BBC LS3/5A.
Tel 011 44 1344 87 44 07 or 011 44 1484 54 98 99
FAX 011 44 1344 63 88 30 or 011 44 1484 53 30 38
www.loudspeakers-online.com
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
tenor escribió:
Ya me habías "avisado" antes de comprarlas que el binomio Filarmonía -ls3/5a iba a ir muy bien como así ha sido.
A mí también me parece una combinación ideal o casi... si quieres probar "por probar" pues sí hay alguna cosa (... entre ellas un Gran Fila!! que hace magia con las TSM, también cerradas...) pero yo me quedaría como estás
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diferencias 11ohm 15 ohm
Bueno yo lo unico que puedo decir es que no suenan igual. Me gustan las dos pero no soy capaz de decir cual me gusta mas. En el artículo de Ken Kessler lo explican yo no puedo añadir mas.
Saludos
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
De todas formas, leyendo en los foros y escuchando por ahí, hay minimonitores hoy en día también muy buenos. Incluso a algunos les gustán más que estas viejas glorias como la Harbeth P3esr, unas ATC scm 7, Dynaudio 1.1 etc.
Hay mucha literatura al respecto, pero yo no las he comparado de tú a tú para opinar
Hay mucha literatura al respecto, pero yo no las he comparado de tú a tú para opinar
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Eso sería lo normal no?; que después de 40 años la tecnología hubiera evolucionado y cualquier monitor decente las superara pero...
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
tenor escribió:Eso sería lo normal no?; que después de 40 años la tecnología hubiera evolucionado y cualquier monitor decente las superara pero...
Bueno, eso es para algunos...otros opinan justo lo contrario. Pero lo que está claro es que muchos de esos minimonitores casí copian lo antiguo y otros beben de sus fuentes
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De los minimonitores que citas Fary, personalmente prefiero las contour 1.1, y personalmente también creo que la ls3/5a es mejor de largo que la harbeth P3 y mejor que la ATC SCM7. La Harbeth Monitor 20 si anda en la "onda" de la ls3/5a.
Por cierto, todavía no me has aclarado a qué te referías con "la escucha en Granada".
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Bueno, ya te digo, eso son opiniones en foros y yo no tengo el mío propio puesto que no he hecho comparativa directa.
En cuanto a si habías escuchado algo en Granada lo digo porque aquí se esta cociendo algo "gordo" pero me extrañaba que hubieras venido a esto. En fin, cosas mías
En cuanto a si habías escuchado algo en Granada lo digo porque aquí se esta cociendo algo "gordo" pero me extrañaba que hubieras venido a esto. En fin, cosas mías
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Copón, mantenme informado, hombre!! mis viajes a Granada son constantes por motivos familiares y porque guardo grandes amigos allí......bueno, y porque siempre uno se lo pasa bien en Granada!
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
como bien se apunta opciones en minimonitores hay muchas cada uno que elija la que mas le guste
en mi caso es obvio que la que mas me ha guatado(ya desde hace mas de 20 años es esta)
sigo enamorado de esta casa desde el primer dia que la escuché,de eso hace ya casi,30 años,con previo y etapa Beard,
he probado algunos monitores y escuchados unos cuanto y tenido alguno,y siempre para mi la referencia fueron las "chiquitinas"
que las hay distintas,que duda cabe,pero... mejores?,yo hace tiempo que intento desterrar ese adjetivo de mi diccionario audiofilo, ,cada cual tiene su gusto, y sus necesidades,asi que cada oveja ..con su pareja,
he escuchado esa combinacion en mi casa,digo la de jacinto, y suena de maravilla,de hecho hay algun forero que siempre me recuerda que ha sido lo mejor que ha escuchado en mi sala, ,
a mi me encanta y lo mas importante es que a jacinto le enamora su sonido
yo,como anecdota,no se me ofendan a quienes les encanta,si la pude comparar con uno de esos nuevos minimonitores de nueva hornada,y que todo hablan de ellos como "uno" de los nuevos sucesores de la BBC Mitica,HeLeid mas de una y mas de dos,y de tres, criticas en revistas en donde nadie dudaba que era mucho mejor que su antedecesora,que quereis que os diga,en mimodestisisma opinion y en la sumarissma de la "Gordi"no le llegaba ni con mucho,en opnion de Gordi,la LS3 sonaba mucho mejor,y en palabras de un buen amigo,aundaba mas,,,,,,,,,,, ,muchissssimo mejor,mil vueltas le daba
quien tiene razon? cada uno que eliga su opcion,yo lo unico que se es que a la Gordi ,ni se me ocurre llevarla la contraria
un abrazo
luis
P.D.Marce cuando quieras te subes por estas tierras y las escuchas ambas dos,
en mi caso es obvio que la que mas me ha guatado(ya desde hace mas de 20 años es esta)
sigo enamorado de esta casa desde el primer dia que la escuché,de eso hace ya casi,30 años,con previo y etapa Beard,
he probado algunos monitores y escuchados unos cuanto y tenido alguno,y siempre para mi la referencia fueron las "chiquitinas"
que las hay distintas,que duda cabe,pero... mejores?,yo hace tiempo que intento desterrar ese adjetivo de mi diccionario audiofilo, ,cada cual tiene su gusto, y sus necesidades,asi que cada oveja ..con su pareja,
he escuchado esa combinacion en mi casa,digo la de jacinto, y suena de maravilla,de hecho hay algun forero que siempre me recuerda que ha sido lo mejor que ha escuchado en mi sala, ,
a mi me encanta y lo mas importante es que a jacinto le enamora su sonido
yo,como anecdota,no se me ofendan a quienes les encanta,si la pude comparar con uno de esos nuevos minimonitores de nueva hornada,y que todo hablan de ellos como "uno" de los nuevos sucesores de la BBC Mitica,HeLeid mas de una y mas de dos,y de tres, criticas en revistas en donde nadie dudaba que era mucho mejor que su antedecesora,que quereis que os diga,en mimodestisisma opinion y en la sumarissma de la "Gordi"no le llegaba ni con mucho,en opnion de Gordi,la LS3 sonaba mucho mejor,y en palabras de un buen amigo,aundaba mas,,,,,,,,,,, ,muchissssimo mejor,mil vueltas le daba
quien tiene razon? cada uno que eliga su opcion,yo lo unico que se es que a la Gordi ,ni se me ocurre llevarla la contraria
un abrazo
luis
P.D.Marce cuando quieras te subes por estas tierras y las escuchas ambas dos,
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
Fary escribió:De todas formas, leyendo en los foros y escuchando por ahí, hay minimonitores hoy en día también muy buenos. Incluso a algunos les gustán más que estas viejas glorias como la Harbeth P3esr, unas ATC scm 7, Dynaudio 1.1 etc.
Hay mucha literatura al respecto, pero yo no las he comparado de tú a tú para opinar
Efectivamente, ya se ha comentado en algún que otro hilo...
Yo tuve unas Spendor LS3/5A en su versión de 11 ohmios y bicableable, sin duda una maravilla de caja. Cómo bien se ha apuntado con la amplificación y el cableado adecuados son increíbles. Nada que envidiar a monitores de mucha más enjundia y/o tamaño.
Ahora, después de haber tenido unos cuantos monitores más vuelvo a tener unas Spendor, pero en esta ocasión unas S3/5R2 que se podría decir que son la última evolución de las LS3/5A (hablando de Spendor).
Bajo mi punto de vista las actuales son más completas, mejores cajas en su conjunto. Hacen lo mismo e igual de bien que las antiguas, pero todavía dan algo más, algo más de respuesta en graves (gama del espectro auditivo que aborrezco especialmente si no es de exquisita y controlada reproducción), algo más de escena, algo más de presencia... Por supuesto siguen siendo exigentes con la amplificación y el cableado, sin duda. Pero con la configuración asociada adecuada llegan a ofrecer una experiencia musical un poco más completa que las originales. Es por supuesto mi apreciación personal cómo usuario de ambas cajas.
No quiero desmerecer en absoluto lo que son y representan las LS3/5A, faltaría más, fueron, son y serán unas magníficas cajas y una referencia en la que fijarse. No obstante los pequeños monitores actuales que se han nombrado anteriormente (Dynaudio 1.1, ATC SCM7, Harbeth P3ESR o las Spendor S3/5R2), yo creo que superan en términos absolutos a los modelos anteriores. Quizá la Harbeth la que menos y la Spendor la que más... Insisto, siempre bajo mi punto de vista y preferencias personales. Siempre el mejor equipo para cada uno es el que mejor le suena a él, sin duda.
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Re: Chartwell ls3 5a
y mas actuales como el focus 110 y las nuevas scm7 bastante superiores EMHO a los modelos anteriores de atc.
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